You Must Be Educated To Read And Understand This
by Bill Simon
[NOTE: The following was scooped-up from an e-mail...I did not research and write it]
Global Islamic population is approximately 1,200,000,000, or 20% of the world population…
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature: 1988 – Najib Mahfooz.
Peace:
1978 – Mohamed Anwar El-Sadat
1994 – Yaser Arafat
Physics:
1990 – Elias James Corey
1999 – Ahmed Zewail
Medicine:
1960 – Peter Brian Medawar
1998 – Ferid Mourad
Global Jewish population is approximately 14,000,000, or only about 00.02% of the world population…
They have received the following Nobel Prizes:
Literature:
1910 – Paul Heyse
1927 – Henri Bergson
1958 – Boris Pasternak
1966 – Shmuel Yosef Agnon
1966 – Nelly Sachs
1976 – Saul Bellow
1978 – Isaac Bashevis Singer
1981 – Elias Canetti
1987 – Joseph Brodsky
1991 – Nadine Gordimer World
Peace:
1911 – Alfred Fried
1911 – Tobias Michael Carel Asser
1968 – Rene Cassin
1973 – Henry Kissinger
1978 – Menachem Begin
1986 – Elie Wiesel
1994 – Shimon Peres
1994 – Yitzhak Rabin
Physics:
1905 – Adolph Von Baeyer
1906 – Henri Moissan
1907 – Albert Abraham Michelson
1908 – Gabriel Lippmann
1910 – Otto Wallach
1915 – Richard Willstaetter
1918 – Fritz Haber
1921 – Albert Einstein
1922 – Niels Bohr
1925 – James Franck
1925 – Gustav Hertz
1943 – Gustav Stern
1943 – George Charles de Hevesy
1944 – Isidor Issac Rabi
1952 – Felix Bloch
1954 – Max Born
1958 – Igor Tamm
1959 – Emilio Segre
1960 – Donald A. Glaser
1961 – Robert Hofstadte r
1961 – Melvin Calvin
1962 – Lev Davidovich Landau
1962 – Max Ferdinand Perutz
1965 – Richard Phillips Feynman
1965 – Julian Schwinger
1969 – Murray Gell-Mann
1971 – Dennis Gabor
1972 – William Howard Stein
1973 – Brian David Josephson
1975 – Benjamin Mottleson
1976 – Burton Richter
1977 – Ilya Prigogine
1978 – Arno Allan Penzias
1978 – Peter L Kapitza
1979 – Stephen Weinberg
1979 – Sheldon Glashow
1979 – Herbert Charle s Brown
1980 – Paul Berg
1980 – Walter Gilbert
1981 – Roald Hoffmann
1982 – Aaron Klug
1985 – Albert A. Hauptman
1985 – Jerome Karle
1986 – Dudley R. Herschbach
1988 – Robert Huber
1988 – Leon Lederman
1988 – Melvin Schwartz
1988 – Jack Steinberger
1989 – Sidney Altman
1990 – Jerome Friedman
1992 – Rudolph Marcus
1995 – Martin Perl
2000 – Alan J. Heeger
Economics:
1970 – Paul Anthony Samuelson
1971 – Simon Kuznets
1972 – Kenneth Joseph Arrow
1975 – Leonid Kantorovich
1976 – Milton Friedman
1978 – Herbert A. Simon
1980 – Lawrence Robert Klein
1985 – Franco Modigliani
1987 – Robert M. Solow
1990 – Harry Markowitz
1990 – Merton Miller
1992 – Gary Becker
1993 – Robert Fogel
Medicine:
1908 – Elie Metchnikoff
1908 – Paul Erlich
1914 – Robert Barany
1922 – Otto Meyerhof
1930 – Karl Landsteiner
1931 – Otto Warburg
1936 – Otto Loewi
1944 – Joseph Erlanger
1944 – Herbert Spencer Gasser
1945 – Ernst Boris Chain
1946 – Hermann Joseph Muller
1950 – Tadeus Reichstein
1952 – Selman Abra ham Waksman
1 953 – Hans Krebs
1953 – Fritz Albert Lipmann
1958 – Joshua Lederberg
1959 – Art hur Ko rnberg
1964 – Konrad Bloch
1965 – Francois Jacob
1965 – Andre Lwoff
1967 – George Wald
1968 – Marshall W. Nirenberg
1969 – Salvador Luria
1970 – Julius Axelrod
1970 – Sir Bernard Katz
1972 – Gerald Maurice Edelman
1975 – Howard Martin Temin
1976 – Baruch S. Blumberg
1977 – Roselyn Sussman Yalow
1978 – Daniel Nathans
1980 – Baruj Benacerraf
1984 – Cesar Milstein
1985 – Michael Stuart Brown
1985 – Joseph L. Goldstein
1986 – Stanley Cohen (& Rita Levi-Montalcini)
1988 – Gertrude Elion
1989 – Harold Varmus
1991 – Erwin Neher
1991 – Bert Sakmann
1993 – Richard J. Roberts
1993 – Phillip Sharp
1994 – Alfred Gilman
1995 – Edward B. Lewis
The Jews are not demonstrating with their dead on the streets, yelling and chanting and asking for revenge.
The Jews are not promoting brain-washing their children in military training camps.
The Jews are not teaching their children how to blow themselves up and cause maximum deaths of Jews and other non-Muslims.
The Jews don’t hijack planes, nor kill athletes at the Olympics.
The Jews don’t traffic slaves, nor have leaders calling for Jihad and death to all the Infidels.
The Jews don’t have the economic strength of petroleum, nor the possibilities to force the world’s media to see “their side” of the question.
Perhaps the world’s Muslims should consider investing more in standard education and less in blaming the Jews for all their problems.
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September 5th, 2006 at 3:03 pm
KUDOS!!!
September 5th, 2006 at 3:12 pm
It’s the fundamentalism. It’s the fundamentalism. It’s the radical fundamentalism that has taken hold of the religion. The same thing is happening in Christianity. We Christians must fight back against the fundamentalism that is heading us onto the same path that the muslims went down.
You have to realize too that the islamic cultures are pretty mediveal right now. Apparently at one time (hundreds of years ago) their culture was more advanced than ours.
September 5th, 2006 at 3:59 pm
Bill,
This is great!!!! Pardon me if I cut and paste this and send it to all my conservative buddies!
September 5th, 2006 at 6:13 pm
David,
Copy and paste to your heart’s desire. That is exactly what I did when I received this in e-mail earlier today.
September 5th, 2006 at 9:31 pm
Bill,
Muslims represent about 1 billion people.
The last poll numbers show about 60% to 70% support Bin Laden….. over the U.S.
Muslims are all over the world and in our Country.
Are we not crazy to not racial profile and demand allegiance to our country to live here ?
Not just Muslims , why not racial profile gangs who are majority illigal immigrants?
Have we become to soft ?
Is it a right or privilege to live here ?
Until we answer that question Americans will not be safe in our own country.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:06 am
FUNDAMENTALISM is the problem. The growing Theocracy here in the US is indicative of and slightly chronologically lagging the Fundamentalist movement in Islam. The difference, these Christian Fundamentalists have the power of the only remaining superpower on Earth.
Our Theocrats don’t demonstrate with their dead in the streets, they demonstrate with the dead of others on corporate controlled media outlets. God forbid the American public see the results of a dismal foreign policy and the price our boys and girls have paid.
Our Theocrats aren’t promoting brain-washing our children in military training camps, they are doing it by trying to force prayer in public schools and pass school voucher programs, so that they can brain-wash our children in the “Faith-focused” private school systems.
Our Theocrats don’t teach our children how to blow themselves up, they send your sons and daughters into battle to further their agenda of creating a Democracy, where there is no desire for one, killing on a much larger scale than any Muslim suicide bomber could ever dream of.
Our Theocrats don’t hijack planes or kill athletes, ours encourage doping, drug scandals, gambling scandals and hijack their governments with the threat of economic sanctions and military action.
Our Theocrats don’t traffic in slaves, although we used to! And YES…our leaders are calling for death to opponents of “freedom”/
Our Theocrats don’t have the economic power of petroleum, but they do have the power of the largest consumer in the world, without which, petroleum would be worthless. Our Theocrats DO control the world’s media, so they DO force the media to “see their side” regularly.
And finally, Our Theocrats believe that everyone should be willing to give up their freedoms in the interest of National Security. Ben Franklin said “They that give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty or safety”. This new breed of Conservo-Facists needs to think that one through long and hard.
Perhaps the leadership of the Republican Party should do a little self-analysis and try to find the differences between Islamic-Facism and the use of power under the current administration. Our current regime is doing all of these things and worse on a much larger scale, resulting in Terrorism against 20% of the planet’s population.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:37 am
I agree with Caroline about a billion percent. Now, WHY have they gone fundamentalist? I do not have a complete answer to that, though the ambitions of Muslim leaders and economic pressures are two likely culprits. What is certain is that fundamentalism breeds more fundamentalism in rival cultures.
Somebody, somewhere must be big enough to stop this regressive cycle. Otherwise, the whole planet is headed toward the establishment of rival police states, run by extreme violence and radical religious indoctrination. This is not a future anyone should be eagerly anticipating.
September 6th, 2006 at 10:01 am
Charley, Caroline
I agree, but we also most deal short term with the current issue of what to do with Muslims in our country who support Bin Laden…..
September 6th, 2006 at 1:53 pm
I am disturbed by the Muslims in our own country who have not come out against their own people who bastardize their religion. Their silence on this matter is deafening.
I wish our country had the political gonads to issue a statement like the Prime Minister of Australia did. Basically, he said that if their Muslims didn’t want to integrate and be productive Australians then they should get the f&%k out! Amen!
I am in the counterterrorism business overseas at this moment. I have lost four colleagues to these sub human pieces of s**t, two on Pan Am 103.
It’s like Zell Miller said at the RNC convention. He’s not about to sit down and talk with the copperheads that are threatening his grandchildren He’s simply gonna kill them.
No talks, no diplomacy. It’s either a full and unconditional surrender or die.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:02 pm
David,
I want to thank you for what you are doing for our Country.
As you can tell , I also think we need to crack down on Muslims, gang members……
My question is how does the threat of death work against suicide bombers?
In an insurgency do we not have to win the hearts and minds of the people?
I would be interested in your view.
September 6th, 2006 at 3:34 pm
John,
Not an easy answer.
I feel this way: I have no interest in “playing nice” with these kinds of people. I simply don’t think it will work. In my view, appeasement never does.
I’m not trying to be overly simplistic or give a smart aleck answer.
I do wish that their own people, that is, fellow peace loving variety Muslims, would try and influence these renegades to stop hijacking the religion.
To answer your question, the threat of death is really the only answer for a people who threaten death themselves every day.
We obviously aren’t dealing with rational people as you and I define it.
I do know that the “modern” islamic fascist movement was born with the slaughter of the Israeli’s in 1972. Now, there were others earlier, but for people of my and your age, TV brought this to the forefront.
And since that time almost all major terrorist attacks were done by the Islamic radicals. Thirty five years worth.
Should we have responded with deadly force much earlier? Lord, yes!
This isn’t a law enforcement problem, this is a human pest control problem.
Zell’s right…kill the copperheads.
We know where the training camps are. Our intelligence services take a backseat to no one.
We won’t make them respect us by negociating with them. Their stated goal is to obliterate the enemies of Islam. I, for one, take them at the ir word.
The good thing is that we still have the ability to defend ourselves and our way of life. I hope we do what is necessary before we can’t fully respond any longer.
The president is right. It is a war between the west and radical islam.
Thanks for the post!
September 6th, 2006 at 4:07 pm
Dave,
I was more talking about winning the minds and hearts of the non-radicals.
This was found on a concentration camp wall after WW2.
FEAR NOT YOUR FREINDS
For they can only betray you
FEAR NOT YOUR ENEMY
For they can only Kill you
YET FEAR THE INDIFFERENT
Who let killers and betrayers walk safely ubon this earth.
Me fear is even if Muslims do not support Bin Laden….. are not the majority indifferent ?
And if so what do we do to change the mind set or can we ?
Once again thank you for your insights.
September 6th, 2006 at 4:14 pm
My not me sorry
September 6th, 2006 at 4:32 pm
John,
I think those non-radicals (true-non radicals) already support us.
I don’t think we can do any more than we have already done to try and win support.
Look at the Tsunami releif. We give billions in gov’t aid to the Islamic nations affected and billions more on top of that from private donations. If that isn’t a good will gesture and an insight into the Western heart then there is nothing more we can do.
In my opinion, envy is the worst of the seven deadly sins. These people obviously envy what we have and what we stand for.
These animals are locked in the 7th century.
All the modern advances that have prolonged life and cured sickness have come from the West. I don’t recall seeing Dr. Habib Raghead pioneering the first artificial heart. I think a fellow named Jarvik did that. And Sally Ride, one of the first females in space? I think they hardly let females hop on the back of a camel without a male escort.
We allow all members of our society the chance to contribute. Our limits are constrained only by one’s ability and not by one’s religion.
If they hate the West so much, have them give up their computers, their Mercedes and their satellite dish.
Ours is the superior society. They are backward and they hate us for it.
Bottom line answer, John, is that if they already are not on our side, I’m unsure if more dollars from our coffers will change them. Our charitable deeds and goodwill gestures should speak for themselves.
September 6th, 2006 at 5:01 pm
Dave,
The polls show about 60% to 70% of Muslims support Bin Laden…. over the U.S.
I think we need to become energy independent from the Middle East.
And use our oil purchases as a tool to bring freedom to the region.
Let the people go after their own leaders if they do not bring freedom.
You cannot make people change , but you can isolate them.
I also think we need to be tougher on who can live and visit our Country.
My Grandfather was proud of being an American. He was a Russian Jew in his early 30’s when he came to our Country.Yet his first loyality was to the U.S.
Can we say that today with many who have immigrated here today?
September 6th, 2006 at 6:56 pm
John Konop,
Are those figures for worldwide muslims? I believe they are. The support was much less after 9/11 but has risen since Iraq. The problem with Zell Miller is that he is using the same mindset that the Islamic Radicals are using. They believe that we are inherently evil and must all be destroyed just like people like Zell believe. All fundamentalist vs. fundamentalist mentality is nothing but a race to the bottom with mutually assured destruction.
I wish that moderate Muslims would speak out. I now understand why Turkey is so strict about allowing imans preaching.
Heck, where are the Christian leaders speaking about the radical fundamentalism in our country? Any time someone speaks out about radical fundamentalism they are accused of being “anti-christian”. Perhaps the moderates have the same problems in the middle east. If they try to speak up, they are branded infidels and marked for murder.
I’m with you on isolation. Isolate the fundamentalist countries. No immigration from these countries. No oil from these countries. And pakistan should be added to that list now that they are giving safe haven to Osama Bin Forgotten.
September 6th, 2006 at 7:06 pm
Caroline,
I think the # was from the Middle East. But I would guess here or other western countries that number would repersent the indifferent.Which is why we need to understand the problem and deal with it.
Racial profiling is only bad if after you find out the person is ok , you keep going after them. At the end it is best for all.Ask peaceful parents living in gang areas if they have a problem with racial profiling.
September 6th, 2006 at 7:25 pm
Here’s the problem I have with racial profiling: It’s a waste of time. You are assuming that someone is guilty because of their race. Should have all white males been racially profiled after the Oklahoma City bombing? Or should have police and intelligence started monitoring militia groups? I’m with monitoring the groups. I think that it would be more productive and less of a waste of time.
September 6th, 2006 at 7:35 pm
caroline,
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/14/AR2005071401030.html
This article points out we are doing better with Muslims when we promote free election and are not part of the country.
caroline,
Do you think it is a problem to racial profile a gang?
September 6th, 2006 at 7:38 pm
Caroline,
Zell can defend himself, but he is nowhere near to being on the same page as these animals. He has reason to believe that, as do you and I, that these folks are evil personified.
He doesn’t advocate the death of those who don’t subscribe to his Christian beliefs. He’s saying, rightfully so, that we should defend our people and the West from those who’s stated pursued objective is the total destruction of our country for the past 30 years.
I know I’m preaching to the choir, but it isn’t Christians who drive the suicide cars or saw hostages’ heads off. We haven’t bombed airports or discos or thrown invalids off the decks of cruise ships, all of which and much, much more has been done to the collective Western nations in the past 30 years.
Just so you know, I am Republican as one can be, but I wish Zell were still in the senate. He’s got common-sense values that most politicians, especially democtats, don’t share.
And while I’m not a religious man, I do know right from wrong and for the most part, at least with this terrorism issue, things truly are black and white, good versus evil.
I don’t want a dialog with these murderers, I don’t want to know how long they’ve been sh*t on by everybody. What I want to see if their acts of barbarism stopped. The radicals of this group need to be obliterated.
September 6th, 2006 at 7:45 pm
Caroline,
McVeigh was an abberation. There was no need to profile white guys because white guys don’t have 30 year track record of indiscriminate slaughter.
Muslims, on the other hand, do. Profile the hell out of them!! Their group is more likely to cause terrorist acts. And if the American Muslims don’t like it, start policing your own people a little more strictly and help your fellow citizens find and stop these people.
September 6th, 2006 at 7:59 pm
John Konop,
Are you profiling them because they are a gang or because of their race? Your statement is confusing. I have no problem with infiltrating gangs but do you assume that someone is a member of a gang because of his race?
September 6th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
David,
Are you advocating extermination of a race of people? Or an entire religion? And as far as negotiating, well, I think that’s a straw man argument. I know some people think that as long as we are randomly killing people in the ME then we are doing the right thing.
September 6th, 2006 at 8:06 pm
99% of all serial murderers are white males. Why not profile them then? Serial murders have been going strong for about 30 years now.
September 6th, 2006 at 9:32 pm
Caroline,
Please go back and re-read my posts. I am not advocating the extermination of a “race” of people. I am quite clear on that.
I am for exterminating a radical, fascist group who bastardized a relgion and slaughter those who don’t “convert.” We’ve seen warnings in the last several days of the dire consequences that await those who don’t convert to Islam.
Do you want to talk with people like that and find out why they want to kill you, Caroline or do you want to make sure they never get the chance to make you or anyone you know a victim?
I think the choice is rather simple…
September 7th, 2006 at 5:50 am
What are you talking about? You keep making this strawman argument about talking? Is everything a fundamentalist either/or? You are proposing the same either/or fundamentalism that the jihadists are proposing. It seems you are proposing if I don’t do what you want me to do “they” are going to kill me.
I realize these people are a threat but I refuse to live in fear and wet the bed anytime someone talks about beheadings etc. I’m all feared out.
September 7th, 2006 at 6:43 am
Caroline,
If you go after a gang as to how they look this is consider racial profiling.
If you went after Muslims attending a service with radicals that would be racial profiling.
To me it would be good police work.
September 7th, 2006 at 7:20 am
John,
What you are advocating is wasting a lot of time. Why not spend the entire time on the known radicals. They will lead you to other radicals. Profiling people because they happen to be at a location with radicals seems like a waste of time and money. You seem to be advocating going on a lot of wild goose chases.
September 7th, 2006 at 8:19 am
caroline,
If someone was hanging on a street corner with gang tattoos near a school should you do nothing ?
If a Muslim who goes to services , drives a truck for a living that moves chemicals should you not check him out?
In all cases that is racial profiling.
September 7th, 2006 at 8:22 am
goes to services with radicals sorry
September 7th, 2006 at 8:28 am
caroline,
I was at a party with some friends and this guy was against racial profiling. I made the comment when I fly I do it everytime. His wife laugh and told us how her husband was doing the last time they flew.
September 7th, 2006 at 12:54 pm
John Konop,
Apparently you and I have different definitions for “racial profiling.”
September 7th, 2006 at 1:50 pm
Caroline,
I read your comment about profiling known radicals. I wholeheartedly agree.
But, how do you think the known radicals first became “known?”
It is because they and their behavior were “profiled” first.
Bottom line here is profiling works every time it’s tried!
September 7th, 2006 at 2:15 pm
caroline,
I am giving the legal definition of racial profiling as I understand it.David is right about profiling. When we build models for risk based products in the cedit card industry we judging human behavior.
When you profile you are not right everytime. We use the tool to focus on which clients hold the most risk.ie just because a person has a gang tatoo does not mean they are in a gang. Yet it would be a better use of time to check them out then a kid playing baseball with a school uniform.
The other key is as you take in information you change the profile.This is how we manage billions of dollars of money movement with loses counted by basis points.
September 7th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
John Konop,
What you are advocating is criminal profiling not racial profiling. There is a difference. Racial profiling is when you pull a black person off the street and interrogate them just because they are black, not because they have any gang behavior or gang symbols.
September 7th, 2006 at 2:56 pm
caroline,
I do not think the law looks at it that way.
September 7th, 2006 at 7:12 pm
I just came by looking around for jokes and interesting thing and I noticed the title. Jews may be more intelligent than Muslims, but hey Im a Muslim and you dont see me blowing people up. Im an American. Simple as that. I was born and raised in this country, and every muslim I know hates or is opposed to whats going on around the world. I dont know where you facts of support to Osama Bin laden come from, but theyre not very accurate to those who live in America. I think we should try to solve problems, and make the world a better place. Not hate everybody and kick everybody out of the country. The U.S. was built on immigrants(legal) and Muslims who are here legally, shouldnt be subjected to the kind of racism y’all are suggesting. Its the same thing as racially profiling a black person, is it not?
I really hope y’all open up your minds and take in all the sides before you just go off and make judgements about races or people based on what a few extremists in the religion are doing. Besides the Muslims you see as “terrorists” dont represent what Islam means, which is peace. Its the religion of peace, so when these guys are over there saying i blow these innocent people up in the name of Islam, I think thats a bunch of crap. Theyre basically saying we should kill in the name of peace.
Anyways, I hope I got through to a few of you. Thanks for letting me comment on the site.
September 7th, 2006 at 8:00 pm
Has anyone asked Linda how she feels.
September 8th, 2006 at 6:20 am
anonymous,
Are saying that more Muslims would not support Hezbohla or Hamas over the U.S. in the Middle East ?
Are you saying in America that even American Muslims do not have wide spread support of Hezbohla or Hamas ?
I am not saying all Muslims are bad. Yet we have to be realistic about the situation.
September 8th, 2006 at 6:40 am
anonymous,
Why Have American Muslim Leaders not Issued a Fatwa against Osama bin Laden for the 9/11 Attacks? I drew attention to the astonishing fact here that after almost five years Muslims have not yet issued a fatwa against Osama bin Laden (OBL) for the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
The United American Committee has continued to exert pressure on American Muslim leaders to issue a fatwa condemning OBL and other terrorists by name:
“Placing pressure on the leading figures of the American Islamic community, last month the United American Committee issued a challenge to all patriotic American Muslim leaders to issue an Islamic verdict, known as a fatwa, condemning Osama bin Laden and other terrorists by name. With over forty days since the issuance of the challenge, the fatwa has not been declared. The UAC has brought the challenge to several Islamic organizations such as the Council on American Islamic Relations (C.A.I.R.), as well as to many Islamic mosques nationwide. ”
Al-Qa’ida’s goal is to “unite all Muslims and to establish a government which follows the rule of the Caliphs.” Bin Laden has stated that the only way to establish the Caliphate is by force. Al-Qa’ida’s goal, therefore, is to overthrow nearly all Muslim governments, which are viewed as corrupt, to drive Western influence from those countries, and eventually to abolish state boundaries
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/ladin.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Cair.gif
September 8th, 2006 at 9:32 am
John,
Bingo Bango!!
As we speak, I am having a researcher buddy of mine do a Lexus/Nexus search to see what kind of “outrage” has been uttered by our esteemed American Islamic leaders.
We all remember when Christian wackos were bombing abortion clinics? Everybody and their brother was up in arms including Christian leaders!
Too bad the Islamic leaders don’t have the will to do the same.
I’ll wait for the results and I’ll let you guys know…
A piece of advice though…don’t hold your breath!
September 8th, 2006 at 11:33 am
Dave,
You might find this interesting.
Critics point to several public comments, including those made by Omar Ahmad, who told a crowd of Californian Muslims in July 1998: “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran … should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.” [5] In 1994, Nihad Awad declared during a meeting at Barry University that he was a “supporter of the Hamas movement.” [6]
Critics have also taken aim at CAIR’s fundraising and sources of funds. Shortly after the 9/11 attacks, CAIR’s website solicited donations for what it called the “NY/DC Emergency Relief Fund.” However, clicking on the donation link led to a website for donations to the Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development (HLF), a charity whose assets were later frozen and confiscated by the United States Department of the Treasury because, according to United States Secretary of the Treasury Paul O’Neill, HLF “masquerade[d] as a charity, while its primary purpose [was] to fund Hamas.”
CAIR also attracted criticism when, according to news reports, Awad wrote in the Muslim World Monitor that the 1993 World Trade Center bombing trial was “a travesty of justice,” and suggested that “there is ample evidence indicating that both the Mossad and the Egyptian Intelligence played a role in the explosion.’” [7] However, during a 2002 interview with an Australian news radio reporter, Awad denied those reports, calling them a “total fabrication” and saying he had been misquoted. [8]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAIR
September 8th, 2006 at 11:37 am
John & David,
Quite honestly, I have a feeling I know why “Muslim leaders” do not speak-out vocally against the acts of their extremist religious cousins: They would probably be executed in much the same way as a member of the MOB would likely be executed for speaking out against anyone in the MOB.
Christian fanatical extremists do not have the record of ruthlessness in dealing with dissent in their ranks that Islamic-Fascists have.
During WW II, there may have been some Germans who disagreed with the route Hitler and the Nazis took against the Jews and the Catholics…but, do you think they stood-up much and pointed fingers? Maybe only once.
September 8th, 2006 at 11:40 am
John Konop,
Your wiki link doesn’t go to anything but the CAIR symbol. I clicked on the link at the bottom and it did lead me to the Wiki about Cair. I didn’t realize that they had endorsed W and that he has had CAIR at many post 9/11 events.
As far as the abortion clinic bombings, I don’t remember any fundamentalist Christians coming out and condeming them. All I remember is them blaming the media and talking about how it would hurt the pro life movement.
September 8th, 2006 at 11:52 am
Caroline,
The majority of Christian relgious leaders came out strongly against the abortion clinic bombings! That’s fact. Of course a few of the zealot wing nut Christians didn’t condemn it. Just like no wacko Islamic radical will condemn their daily butchery!
I am not asking for that!
I’m just wanting a few “peace-loving” Muslims to condemn it.
Of course you’re right, Bill! We all know why they don’t…fear!
I guess cowardice is a trait for both the good or the evil Muslims. I wish they’d try growing a set of gonads and make a public stand against the crimes against humanity perpetrated by radicals in their own relgion!
September 8th, 2006 at 12:46 pm
Caroline,
Sorry ,try this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAIR
As far as the Right To Life groups on abortion clinic bombings I think Dave is right. In fact the two links are very interesting to read about the issue.
http://www.christiangallery.com/DogsPartTwo.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13211015/
Bill,
You make a great point! But if Muslims fear to speak out in the U.S., how bad is the problem? I would like to hear from anonymous on this issue.
September 8th, 2006 at 12:54 pm
caroline,
Your point is well taken how both parties are in bed with CAIR. And, I hope this is not the moderate Muslims we are being told about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAIR
Though CAIR has received public recognition and endorsement by prominent public figures, including President George W. Bush and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, high-ranking members of CAIR have taken stances that many critics say belie its self-portrayal as a moderate organization dedicated to civil rights for Muslims. Immediately after the September 11, 2001 attacks, President Bush included CAIR, which had endorsed his 2000 campaign, [4] in several public functions.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:33 pm
Umm, the cair site is right here: http://www.cair-net.org/
@John Konop
Honestly, Im not sure why Muslim leaders havent issued a Fatwa against Osam Bin Laden.
I kind of agree with Bill Simon, in that a lot of Muslim leaders do fear prosecution by any one government who supports these radical leaders. Say an Iranian stands up against the Iranian leader. When he goes there to visit family, he’ll be put in prison. Its quite simple.
But at the same time, although Osama bin Laden may have taken the fall for the Sept 11 attacks, I dont think he was the mastermind. Its a historical fact that all Jews working at the world trade center decided not to go to work on that day. Even though there were Muslims and christians working there on that day.
Another thing, Islam is the religion of peace. Anyone who supports radicallism whether its Suni or Shiat doesnt represent the religion. Its very hypocrytical. Plus theres a verse in the Quraan that says (this is not a direct translation): You have youre religion and I have mine, whatever you do, will be no business of mine.
So trying to spread Islam all over the world, and declaring it as the dominant religion, is not the right thing to do. If a christian wants to become Muslim thats fine, but you cant go around forcing people to enter into the religion. Its the peoples’ choice, not the radicallists.
@ John,
I dont know if a large amount of Muslim Americans support Hezballah, or Hammas. I cant try to take a poll to find out though. Personally I dont support it, neither does my family or friends. But of course a few of my family(cousins and uncles) back in Egypt, kind of side with Hezballah and Hammas, but thats because theyre getting one side of the story.
One more thing, Islam encourages knowlege, peace, and democracy. The vote of the people and all that. Anarchy may work sometimes, and communism and socialism are out of the question. Democracy, and maybe REpublics are the way to go in Islam. The view that Al-Qaeda wants a government to rule all countries through a system of Caliphs, and to overthrow the cuurent, western influence governments, is just wrong. Besides it would be impossible to get places like Egypt, Libya, Morrocco and Algeria into the wide group of radicallism. Now Im not saying those countries dont have some radicals within them, maybe trying to get control of the governments there, but they would have a hard time establishing one government over all the countries that has this radical fundamentalist Islamic Government.
As for the “peace loving” Muslims to condemn what happened on Sept 11th, a lot of them said it. They condemn the killing of Innocent people in the name of Islam. Several CAIR people announced it within weeks or months of it. Even a few cities around where I live had TV crews interview them, and they condemn it too. Just because they havent issued a “Fatwa” doesnt mean nobody condemn what happened, and said that it was wrong.
Personally, Im a peace-loving Muslim, and I condemn what happened. Also as a side note, several hundred-close to a thousand- Muslims died on Sept 11th.
September 8th, 2006 at 1:38 pm
I forgot to add a few things. The condemning of the Sept 11th attacks, is found here:
http://www.cair.com/html/911statements.html
and heres another site that can be found from the CAIR site. This one just wants to make peace in the Middle East, not to spread the hate and violence thats going on now.
http://www.notinamericasname.org/
September 8th, 2006 at 3:52 pm
John Konop,
Your links don’t point to any prominent Christians speaking out about clinic bombings.
I agree that Muslims should speak out but shouldn’t Christians do the same about their fundamentalists? I’m doing my part speaking to people about how fundamentalists are ruining Christianity. Mainstream Christians have been quiet for too long.
September 8th, 2006 at 6:19 pm
Anonymous,
You said this as though it were an accepted fact: Its a historical fact that all Jews working at the world trade center decided not to go to work on that day.
I’ve NEVER heard about this. What Muslim fairy-tale did this come from? Because, there were lots of Jews who died in the Towers that day because there were several stock brokerages that were wiped-out and when they talked about the names of the people killed, a lot of them were Jewish.
September 8th, 2006 at 6:38 pm
Bill Simon,
Go to snopes.com. It’s some kind of bogus email that went around and that apparently many Muslims believe. I’ve read where it’s an article of faith in places like Saudi Arabia.
September 8th, 2006 at 7:20 pm
Thank you very much, Caroline.
Anonymous, here’s your link to the TRUTH about that bullshit you espouse:
http://www.snopes.com/rumors/israel.htm
Read and I advise you to send it to your fellow Muslim believers.
September 8th, 2006 at 7:24 pm
And, here’s another link regarding the falsehood of the Jews “being tipped-off about the attack the day before and being told to stay home:”
http://usinfo.state.gov/media/Archive/2005/Jan/14-260933.html
September 8th, 2006 at 7:34 pm
Bill,caroline
Anonymous makes my point. If he is a moderate Muslim and he thinks that Jews being tipped-off is true, you can only imagine what most moderate Muslims think.
Anonymous,
How could you even think this is the truth ? This would of been on every major media outlet. This is not the Middle East.
September 8th, 2006 at 7:41 pm
caroline,
FYI
I am no expert on this topic , but this is what I understood.
http://www.christiangallery.com/DogsPartTwo.html
And the pro life movement saw the danger posed by the example of Paul Hill. The pro life movement responded to the actions of Paul Hill and the other vigilantes like him by totally censuring their actions. Flip Benham, one of the endless string of leaders of Operation Rescue, embodied the near monolithic consensus within the pro life community to reject the example of Paul Hill when Benham offered to pull the switch for the lethal injection of poison that killed Paul Hill in 2003 in Florida’s Death Chamber.
September 8th, 2006 at 8:03 pm
Anonymous,
So Is Bin Laden not telling the truth when he said he was the mastermind of 9/11 ?
Or are you saying that Bin Laden was working with Isreal on the 9/11 plot?
And if you think Isreal was behind this then why did you say “I condemn what happened” ? Are you a Jewish Muslim ?
September 9th, 2006 at 7:02 am
I think it is important that you take credit for all of the Jewish comedians that criticize Jesus, the Polish and any other group of people that they deem to be inferior to them. Isn’t it great when a minority can so freely get away with supreme bigotry?
Check out Alan King’s “Great Jewish Joke Book.” I am only trying to open your eyes, Bill to the lunacy of this list of Nobel Peace Prize winners. Who do you think awards and controls the Nobel Peace Prize winners? It is not hard to get so many awards in a small minority of people, when they represent the judge and the jury, is it? Don’t get me wrong, I am happy that there are some really great Jewish people that have lived in this world. But, one needs to be a realist and think now how can one minority of people get so many awards. I know you are intelligent, so use your brains and think.
I have been hurt when I was a child about the stupid blonde jokes, and the stupid German jokes. You know why, because I am German and I had blonde hair in my younger days. This is bigotry is it not. Again, check out Alan King’s book on Amazon and read the reviews by Jews, of course. The reviewers are all proud of all of the bigotry that is hidden in comedy!
September 9th, 2006 at 1:16 pm
Linda,
You are right. All of us Jews have a secret machine that fixes every election. The code is hidden in Alan king’s book.
We had some software problems in the Middle East as of late. But we have a new fix, and you will see a Jewish guy win the next election in Iran. Please do not tell Anonymous, he could stop Iran from becoming another Jewish state.
Another secret we have Jews in training with an aggressive Jehovah Witness person on how to go door to door. This is how the Jews plan to take Iran.
September 9th, 2006 at 1:28 pm
Umm… Ok so I made I big mistake about stating that the Jews were not there. I did here that from people, so thank you for correcting me.
As for Israel helping Osama bin Laden, that was another theory I heard. Guesswork and assumptions mostly. No Im not a “Jewish Muslim”. But I do have Jewish friends. I wont deny that there is some conflict between Jews and Muslims in that region, but I prefer to stay on the sidelines rather than get into that conflict.
I guess John, that I never really cared to look it up. Not that I didnt want to, nut that I took my parents word for it. Im sure they heard it through a rumor too. I read up on it right now, and now I know I was mistaken.
About Bin Laden being the mastermind, I’ve heard other theories, that he didnt even do it. Only when the U.S. government pressured him to apologize did he admit to anything. But I think this is more like he was framed, and just because he would be the perfect person to take the fall, everyone believed it was him. Although, I myself dont know if the hijackers worked for him or not. That I could find out.
John, I condemn what happened because its not about Jews, Muslims, Christians or whatever religion you believe in. Its about the innocent killing of thousands of American citizens. I condemn it because it just wasnt right. A crime of this magnitude, let alone a crime of this type is not acceptable by anyone with a concious or a good heart.
John, could I know your position on this topic, if you really are running for congress? And what state? Thx.
September 9th, 2006 at 1:36 pm
ok never mind about your state and all that. I just found some details when I searched.
Thx.
September 9th, 2006 at 1:45 pm
Anonymous,
I do not see how would not think Bin Laden did not plan and mastermind this plot. Read for yourself
Friday, September 8, 2006 · Last updated 1:26 a.m. PT
Al-Jazeera airs pre-9/11 bin Laden tape
By BASSEM MROUE
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
Al-Jazeera broadcast a videotape on Thursday purporting to show Osama bin Laden, seen here in this 1998 file photo, meeting with some of the Sept. 11 hijackers. (AP Photo/Rahimullah Yousafzai)
CAIRO, Egypt — Al-Jazeera broadcast Thursday a previously unshown video of the preparations for the Sept. 11 attacks, in which al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden is seen meeting with some of the planners in an Afghan mountain camp.
The station said that bin Laden also is shown greeting some of the hijackers, although their faces were not clear and it was not immediately known which are purportedly shown.
The video included the last wills and testaments of hijackers Wail al-Shehri and Hamza al-Ghamdi
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1107AP_Al_Qaida_Video.html?source=mypi
September 9th, 2006 at 2:13 pm
Aynonymous,
I grew up in Toledo Ohio near a large Mosque.Because of that I grew up and hung out with many Middle Eastern people.
In fact my brother had a fund raising event at a Middle Eastern restaurant when he ran for office.
The issue is not that all Middle Eastern people are bad. The question in my mind is how anyone as educated as you could think Isreal would work with Bin Laden on the 9/11 plot. How you could really think the Jews knew in advance about 9/11 and did not go to work.
My fear is how can peace happen in the Middle East if you repersent the moderate view? My guess is you only see peace if Isreal is not a Jewish State. Did down if you can not see a two State solution, than what do we have ?
I think it is time for everyone to put the cards on the table.For the most part many elements in the Middle East do not want to have Western people on the soil,true or false?
September 9th, 2006 at 2:33 pm
John Konop,
Why do people believe Sadaam Hussein attacked us on 9/11? Why do people believe all kinds of false stuff? IMO, it’s because they WANT to believe it.
That link you sent me to doesn’t say anything about people standing up against clinic bombings. I’ve googled for quotes from people like Pat Robertson, James Dobson etc. and can’t seen to find any kind of condemnation of the bombings.
I was going to a fundamentalist church at the time and the preacher stated that the bombings happened because of the US Government. He said until Roe v. Wade was overturned that bombings would continue.
There will never be peace in the ME, imo, because the hatred is biblical. At best, I would think that there would be some kind of “cease fire.”
One thing to consider with those polls of muslims is that the Iraq war has radicalized many Muslims. There is an article in the faith and values section of the paper today by a Muslim. It’s an interesting read.
September 9th, 2006 at 4:01 pm
Dear John,
If you read my post, I am not laying blame at the Jew’s feet for anything other that playing supremacist against everyone else around them. Yes, I know you are a Jew with a Christian wife and you are not the “Hollywood” or the ADL type of Jewish person. I know because of the way your write. But I am not going to allow this post about all of the Jewish Nobel Peace Prize winners go by without a rebuttal.
I am a CPA, and if the American Society of CPAs issued awards every year to the smartest people in the world. If 95% of the recipients were members of the AICPA, can you not see the hypocrisy of the awards?
I do think that there money buys control, and it has been said by many “that whomever controls the money will control the government.” How is that 50% of the money contributed to the reelection campain for Clinton in 1996 came from Jewish donors? The Jew is such a small minority in the United States but a very large percentage of the wealth is concentrated in their hands.
You see, I listen to a talk show host on AM radio here in Macon and frankly I get tired of hearing this Jewish lady on the radio bashing Christianity, calling this one and that one anti-semetic at least three times a week and constantly talking about the Holocaust. She is on the radio with a Baptist co-host, and he is the tolerable person that I listen to.
You see the Hollywood comedians, the Hollywood actors, et al have rubbed off many of your brethren and made them rude and despicable to tolerate. Oh, don’t think for a minute that I do not call into the radio station once in a while to voice my opinions. Would you actually think that I would be silent?
It will take more people that see the other side of the coin that are in the Jewish community to speak out and say to the rude Jews that “ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!” I only want peace and harmony in the world, and I want people to respect me as a Christian. Yes, I know the Constitution does not guarantee happiness. But being PC is getting us no where, and the Jews need the Christians for sure in this evil world. Don’t you agree? Peace!
September 9th, 2006 at 4:15 pm
caroline,
In my opinion this is hate speach bottom line. And if any bombs went off after that speach the preacher should be help accountable.This is like yelling fire in a crowd.
“I was going to a fundamentalist church at the time and the preacher stated that the bombings happened because of the US Government. He said until Roe v. Wade was overturned that bombings would continue”
I do think the key to stopping the divide in our country is to overturn federal control of issue like abortion,right to die,… to the State and local communities.
All people than most respect what laws are in the local communities like blue laws. If the city of Atlanta wants different laws than Canton we should respect the community.
Why should a politician in Ohio have say on social laws in Georgia? Why should a poltician in Atlanta have say over Canton?
This would let the federal government focus on issues like spending, taxes,trade…. Both parties are using hot button issues to change the topic, while they are bought off by lobbyist.
The problem is even bigger since both parties created so many safe districts.
Let the local community worry about schools,abortion……….
September 9th, 2006 at 4:25 pm
Linda,
I am Jewish and I do not repersent the Jewish community. As a Jew I will tell you , as in the Christian community we have much division of opinion. In fact if you ever visited a Jewish home you would not find many short on opinion.In fact you may have a hard time getting in a word(a little joke).
As in the Christian community you would not say that they repersent one opinion. If they only had one opinion then why are there Cathlics, Methodist. Babtist, Southern Babtist, American Babtist…………
September 9th, 2006 at 5:12 pm
caroline,
BTW, that was a good article in the AJC today.
My question is if the majority of muslims do not support a two state peace plan , than what is the solution ?
Also if the majority of Muslims want the west out of the Middle East due to culture so why are they coming to America?
I wonder if aynonymous change his religion how welcomed would he be by his family ?
The Indians trusted the French over the British because the French would marry them not the British.
September 9th, 2006 at 8:07 pm
John Konop,
Do you really think that having issues be “local” will solve the problem? I wish it were true but it hasn’t worked in the past. People will not be happy if issued are turned to the states because people can always travel to other states. Look no further than Oregon and the assisted suicide law. People from all over the country are trying to overturn that law when the people of Oregon supported it.
The Muslims who come to the US are not the same as the ones you are talking about. I remember when Jimmy Carter sent them all back. The nonfundamentalist muslims were shot on sight. The fundamentalists were welcomed home. The fundamentalist muslims who come here are nothing but trouble. The nonfundamentalists are like the ones who wrote the article in the AJC. I proposed before that we should shut down immigration from fundamentalist counties. It would force the moderates to solve the problems in their own country instead of coming here.
I have no solution to the peace issue in the ME. Perhaps over time people will get sick of war. History has shown that this happens but it takes a long time sometimes. Right now our presence in Iraq is making many in the ME dig in their heels. Even places like Jordan, traditional allies of our country, are turning away. The Iraq problem must be solved, I believe, before anything positive can happen.
September 9th, 2006 at 9:19 pm
caroline,
Pat Buchanan is now for moving social issues to the state.He now says we need to realize we have a social divide and this would be the best solution. The article was in the American Conservative.
On the ME,
Is not part of the problem our relationships with the ruthless self appointed leaders of countries like Saudia Arbia, Jordan……. Do not the people hate them as well?
September 9th, 2006 at 9:24 pm
Not in Jordan. It has been a long standing ally of ours until W. botched it in the middle east. The Sauds are friends with W but the the people in SA apparently hate Americans. At least from what I have read. The Sauds are some of the worst funders of fundamentalist extremism and terrorism in the middle east.
What happened to Pat Buchanan. He used to be totalitarian? I know that he is screaming about what a mistake Iraq is/was.
September 10th, 2006 at 2:14 am
John,
I would say true. I get a vibe from the people over there that because Israel is an ally to the U.S., that the west should leave the Middle East. Flat nad simple.
And see, the way to let the people know that the west should stay in the Middle East, is not through hatred and wars, but rather to convince them. Show them that the U.S. is not what all the rumors say it is.
I dont think I represent the moderate view in all of America. I wouldnt think so at least. I may be a moderate Muslim, but as you can see I was not informed that all that was was a rumor.
I suppose something that would bring Muslims here in the U.S. closer to peace between peoples, is if they are more informed about topics, and they actually care to look things up. Im not saying I didnt care, I just took their word for it, rather than questioning it. I think its just like caroline said: Its because I want to believe it. I guess I cant accept the truth that a Muslim just like me, can go and do something so crazy and something so against Islam iteslf. Thats my opinion, and mine alone. I dont think I represent anyone else on that point.
but I do have one question, I know this is going to sound absurd.
Everytime I see a movie, Godzilla or Deep Impact or Independence Day, if you pay really close attention, the producer is a jew. Im fine with that. They make really great movies. But each of those movies shows the world trade center towers being blown up or chopped in half or something coming from the sky and tearing them down. Is that a coincidence or am I being a little paranoid?
September 10th, 2006 at 2:16 am
sorry. Ive got some typos. Its late and Im tired.
September 10th, 2006 at 7:29 am
Anonymous,
Do not worry about the typos. First I am putting out a blog and a radio show by Oct. I would want uou as a guest on my show and a blogger.
I do think the key to peace is people talking. Which is why I am doing the show and peace.My e- mail is john@johnkonop.com.
I do not think that it is a coincidence why so many Jewish people have done well.The key is Jewish families focus on education.
My father is a liberal Democrat and I am a fiscal conservative who wonders what happen to the Republican party. My point is My father and I, both Jews do not agree on politics.
Yet My father has also excepted my Wife and family who are all not Jewish. Would that happen in your family ?
September 10th, 2006 at 10:41 am
Linda,
Perhaps you are really a Democratr who thinks that if someone, or a group of someones, has too much money, then THAT is wrong and that wealth should be taken away form them.
Tell me, are you one of those people who think that the Nazis just went a little too far and they had honorable intentions?
Or, are you one of those folks who thinks the Holacaust was a public relations trick designed by the Jews and it never really happened?
September 10th, 2006 at 1:08 pm
Bill,
Now tell me if you think that just maybe the fact that Israel was paid $848 million by Germany in 1948 throught reparations, it that is the proper way to accumulate wealth? How did such a small minority of people accumulate so much wealth? I work hard everyday, as do millions of other people in the world, but through this central banking scheme that we have in the United States called the Federal Reserve and the tax scheme that was set up only after the elitists accumulated their wealth and hid it in foundations, we have no chance in competing against the wealthiest. (run on sentence, sorry). Now, I have told you before, but you seem to only read Jew, that there are many non-Jews that are in this New World Order Globalist plot to break down the independence of the United States.
You see, I no longer believe in being a Democrat or being a Republican. The lines have been created to divide the people of the United States. It is easy to divide people that have more against those that have less. But, you will never see a hearse pulling a U-Haul Trailer. We will leave this earth with only what we entered it with. I am invested in the stock market, but I realize that it is a rigged and corrupt game. The only gains that are honorable are when dividends are paid out on the stocks.
When stock brokers boast that they have earned 60% in the stock market, did you ever stop to think that their gains is someone else’s loss?
Right now, Israel is trying to extort money out of Poland and so far Poland is winning the battle in court. Getting back to the tobacco lawsuits, many Jewish and non-Jewish lawyers participated in this great extortion to get money from tobacco companies to pay for the health care of smokers. Check the facts, and find out how much of that extorted money is going to fund health care in any participating state!
I call a spade a spade, debate me on the Nobel Peace Prize statements that I made. Prove me wrong, instead of attacking the messenger. I have no problem with people earning money, but I do have a problem with extorting money from people to gain wealth. If you cannot relate to that, then we will never see eye to eye. I think the Lord made it clear to those that disobeyed him in Israel when the money changers were all driven from their lands, and in time the Lord will speak again.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:19 pm
John Konop,
You aren’t a fiscal conservative. Fiscal conservatives have been running Washington for the last 6 years. Believing in fiscal restraint is not fiscal conservatism.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
Linda,
Your points are being overshadowed by making this a Jewish issue. Median incomes have declined for the past three years but it isn’t because of Jews. I have a really good friend who is Jewish and she certainly isn’t rich. I agree with John on the fact that Jews believe very strongly in Education.
September 10th, 2006 at 1:24 pm
“Perhaps you are really a Democratr who thinks that if someone, or a group of someones, has too much money, then THAT is wrong and that wealth should be taken away form them.” Bill said this.
I say to read the previous post, as I can find numerous instances where obviously the Jews that demanded reparations for the creation of the new state of Israel. We send them $3 billion in aid a year out of our tax coffers. Well actually, it is borrowed aid that interest continually adds to our enormous debt. Then that money is used by AIPAC to wield influence in our elections. You know the truth always has a way of surfacing. The Internet has opened up information to those that want to seek the truth. Those that buy political influence, and those that accept the money are equally guilty of selling our what our Country was founded on, which was a government by the people and for the people. The corporations are corrupt, 80% or more of politicians are corrupt, and this Nobel Peace Prize stuff that you started this thread about is purely a media and money influenced mockery of peace. And, since the media is 90% controlled by Jews and mostly Jews make up the board that reviews those that they deem worthy of an award makes me scoff at those that have won! America is great isn’t because we truly have real diversity in opinions!
I saw that I talked about tobacco lawsuits above, as if I had already mentioned them. My mind works so much faster than I type, that I thought I had already written about it.
Bill, I do not lay any blame on you or John or anyone else. My message is to get you to open your eyes and see that there are two sides to every coin and there are many sides to every issue.
You tell me if you think that it is coiture that 50% of Clinton’s contributions in 1996 came from Jewish donors? Do you really think that such a small percentage of the population in the United States should be able to buy the Presidency that is supposed to be for nearly $3 million people? And the money to the Republican Party was very high in 2000 and 2004. I am not making this up, as it is out there if you want to find the information from reputable sources.
Israel is more of a NAZI state than Germany ever tried to be. A person cannot own property in Israel, unless they are a Jew. Nearly 750,000 Palestinians were pushed out of land and homes when the state of Israel was newly created. But you know, the small people like me and you would have had no say so in what happened if we had been alive in 1948. I see it as morally wrong, and many do. But now we have the state of Israel, and non-stop wars have been going on for years now. Peace will never happen.
September 10th, 2006 at 11:03 pm
LINDA,
To your comment regarding the reparation to the inhabitants of Israel by the Germans, are you still smoking crack down there in Macon?
The Germans waged war against anyone who was Jewish in Germany and they STOLE THEIR WEALTH.
Now, I’m not exactly sure how the reparations were made, but I know that _I_ did not receive any as though I was heir to it just because I happen to be Jewish.
I am sick to death of reading the BULLSHIT out of your posts, Linda. You’re not “speaking the truth,” you’re speaking on fables that you read off of the Web and YOU are so stupid as to believe everything that paints anyone who is Jewish in a bad light.
You’re like this “anonymous” character who believed that all the Jews who worked in the towers on 9/11 received a coded message from someone that told them to stay home on 9/11.
You are, literally, a flaming f*cking MORON. Got that? You’re not educated, YOU’RE IGNORANT. And, TERMINALLY SO, AS WELL.
Adios, Linda. You’ve posted your last bit of pro-Nazi drivel on MY Website.
September 11th, 2006 at 7:45 am
Wow Bill,
Get a grip man. Where is your tribute to 911 today?
September 11th, 2006 at 7:58 am
I think that you should post the facts to prove that Linda is stupid and make her read the real truth.
September 11th, 2006 at 9:21 am
anonymous,
Will you be on my radio show ? Will you put blog views on my website when it comes out ?
September 11th, 2006 at 9:33 am
Anonymous,
I do not waste my time with Nazis, neo or otherwise. The kind of drivel that Linda espouses leads directly to Hitler’s mania in blaming “the Jews” for everything bad in the world.
Linda groups all Jewish people in one bloc and presumes/ASSumes that all Jews think the same and do the same.
“Accumulation of wealth” can be accomplished by anyone, whether they be Jewish or Christian or Muslim.
You want to talk about a group of people who accumulate wealth? Go talk to the Saudi and Egyptian families that own oil fields and sell it by the millions of barrel a day. Tell me they are poor, won’t you?
The Rockefellers aren’t Jewish. The Kennedys aren’t Jewish. Yet, there is a bloodline of VERY wealthy people. Where is Linda’s bitching about them?
Rupert Murdoch is not Jewish, yet he owns a media empire.
Ted Turner certainly wasn’t Jewish when he built his CNN empire, nor is he now. Now it’s part of Time Warner, which is a publicly held company. You and Linda going to tell me that only Jews own their stock or sit on their board of directors?
Let’s see…the Cox sisters (Anne Cox Chambers and her sister) are NOT Jewish, yet look at what they own: WSB-TV, WSB 750 radio, the AJC…and, I think, a cable TV station. There’s a friggin’ media empire if there ever was one. Where is their “Jewish” ownership, Linda???
People like Linda sit around and read shit on the Web that is written by people who have a deep hatred for anyone whom they can target as being weak and defenseless.
When that guy in 1999 blew-up a synagogue in Los Angeles (a religious zealot of his own making), THAT was the event that told me to go out and get a license to carry concealed weapons, as well as educate myself on guns.
People like Osama bin Laden and his followers, I cannot control what they do. They don’t care about changing the laws of the UNited States; all they care about is wreaking terror by blowing-up people. I cannot plan for defending myself against them coming after me personally.
BUT, I can plan and practice self-defense to protect myself from people like Linda and her ilk of screwy nutjobs who think there IS someone else to blame for their lot in life, and it is the supposed success of all people who are Jewish.
Of course, it’s NOT bad decisions they’ve ever made. It can’t be something unfortunate that happens to them that they cannot control. No, it always resorts to their lot in life somehow being the direct result of some Jewish person having a better life than they do. And, therefore, somewhere in THEIR interpretation of the Bible they beat, they find a justification for persecuting Jews.
Is that enough truth for you, Anonymous?
September 11th, 2006 at 1:57 pm
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2003/02/26/billionaireland.html
This is the most current list I found quickly online that lists top ten. It looks as though the Jews are not victims in an ability to accumulate wealth. Bill, you seem to take every thing too personal. Lighten up! Hang in there, and be thankful that you live in the United States! I am most certainly thankful of that. Now, let us get back to our jobs and earn a living and pay taxes. We have got to pay for social security, wars and for our massive debt.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:21 pm
First off I was the previous Anonymous person from the very beginning. That guy for the last 3 posts is not me. I dont have internet at home so I cant post on weekends. I didnt post those messages this morning. I really hate it when a dozen different people use Anonymous at the same blog. So, I’ll just go by my online name. Sorry Bill.
John, I’ll accept you invetation. What day is it on? I’ll have to put it on my calendar.
I think if I married a Jew or a Christian that would probably not be accepted by my folks. They would prefer me to marry out of my religion. But if the family of my wife were good to me and my family, and respected that Im a Muslim and respected the fact that I would want my wife to be a Muslim, then that would be accepted by my parents. The general idea is people like to marry out of their own religion, but I would think that if I married a jew or a christian that she would become my religion so that we can raise the children in the smae religion. Id rather not the children get confused as they grew up.
Bill, I didnt blame all the Jews for everything bad in the world. I do admit many good things came from them. Lots of research and technology has been created by Jews. I dont have to list any names but you get the idea.
I grew up in a very pro-Middle East family and my father expects me to take his word for everything. So when he tells me a rumor, that he’s heard from a good friend of his, rather than check out for himself, he just gives it to me. I of course just accept it too.
Im not neo-nazi. I really hate that neo-nazi B.S. If youve ever seen American X, thats a great example of some of the crap the neo-nazi’s believe. Im way against that stuff.
Anyways, John, I do agree about the point that Jews concentrate on education. I would like to mention though, that people form the Middle-East, or Muslims, which ever, have contributed to the Math world, and the chemistry world. Algebra for example is an arabic word. It comes from Al Gabr. But thats aside the point. The few things that Muslims do achive is usually not noticed compared to the vast list of acievements by the Jews.
September 11th, 2006 at 3:54 pm
John Konop,
Can you tell me more about your radio show? What station etc.?
September 11th, 2006 at 4:17 pm
My apologies, Remus. I got the “anonymous” confused with the “Anonymous.” No harm or personal affront meant in your direction at all.
September 11th, 2006 at 5:31 pm
Remus,
I have to talk to my partner. The show is going to be on Saturdays. Please E- Mail, I think you’ll make an interesting guest. john@johnkonop.com
Thanks jk
September 11th, 2006 at 5:33 pm
caroline,
Email me and I will give you details. Thanks jk john@johnkonop.com BTW We need you also as a caller and famous Blogger. Thanks jk
September 12th, 2006 at 4:48 pm
no problem at all Bill.
John, I’ll send you an email within a day. That way you’ll catch my email address when its in your inbox.
September 12th, 2006 at 8:34 pm
john konop,
Here’s an article that will interest you:
http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/06/0905/art1.html
September 13th, 2006 at 5:25 am
caroline,
Thanks, you should E- mail on being a blogger.
September 13th, 2006 at 10:33 am
john konop,
I emailed you about your radio show. I guess you didn’t get the email.
September 13th, 2006 at 2:06 pm
caroline,
I read the article. I dont think thats very good for our economy.
September 13th, 2006 at 2:13 pm
by the way, John, youre site is titled 3-col layout via CSS. Id suggest naming it.
Nice job on the redesign, the old site looked a little complicated.
September 13th, 2006 at 2:20 pm
Remus,
Thanks for the help !