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Myers-Briggs & Ron Paul Supporters

by Bill Simon

Prologue

This particular issue of the Political Vine was inspired by one guy making, perhaps, the most astute observation that I’ve ever heard in consideration of trying to understand what happens to cause the melee of political personality clashes between “Ron Paul People” and “Every Other Republican.”

Everyone in the GOP is aware of these clashes, whether you are “Old Guard,” “New Guard,” or “RP supporters.” RP people cannot understand, for the life of them, why their arguments about the rules, the Constitution, the Bible, etc. do not penetrate the conscious minds of longtime GOP members (i.e., the GOP Establishment).

Furthermore, the “old timers” in the GOP also don’t quite get why a lot of the RP supporters just don’t ease their way into the GOP stream, and “learn the ropes” in a quieter, less argumentative manner.

Well…perhaps there is a bit of a scientific explanation (beyond the quick-thought of “those other guys are ******* nuts!”) that can explain this clash…and, in presenting this theory, it is my hope that some of you in the various leadership positions on all sides of the GOP will read this, consider it to possibly be an accurate explanation, and hopefully, come around to gaining a little better understanding of the other person’s point of view.

Because, with just the tiniest of better understanding about what’s going on in the other person’s head, the fear you feel will begin to dissipate…and you might realize the other person is not your true enemy.

And, yes, a lot of the clashes amongst people (especially in the powder-keg world of politics) is due to a “fear” that one or both parties to an argument have, whether of losing power, losing control, losing political position, losing their sense of self-worth, losing…whatever someone feels they own and they view their adversary as someone else who wants to take that away from them.

Though you may not believe it, all I wish for the political world is peace, harmony, and happiness (at least until college football season rolls around and I can ramp-up my annual war on Dawgs…:-)

Myers-Briggs

Some time ago, either in high school or in college, I went through an exercise of taking tests that determined my “personality type.” There are several different types of personality tests out there, but the one in particular that I took, and that I accept to be the most “correct,” is called the “Myers-Briggs Personality Type Indicator.

There are actually 16 different personality types in the Myers-Briggs construct. Your personality type is something you were basically born with, and it doesn’t change too much from one of the Myers-Briggs 16 types to any other MB type. If you’ve never heard of this type of test, here is an online version that is pretty good (and free) that you can take and figure out something about yourself…as well get an understanding of why you process information and analyze things the way you do, and why someone else processes information the way they do.

My personality type is INTJ, and we are a type that is about 1% of the population. We are quite the rarity.

If you wish to know the more realistic, practicing view of what an INTJ type is, read this Website. As a self-appointed leader of the INTJ Caucus Type, I freely invite and encourage the 99% of the general population to read this latter description so you may get a better understanding of what I’m going to discuss regarding GOP politics.

The INTJ In The Wild

Now, my friend who inspired this discussion is Todd Rehm, who blogs on his Website called GaPundit.com. Todd is an INTP. His personality type is something on the order of 5% of the general population.

It is amazing how we are so close in personality types (hey, we’re just one alphabetical letter off from each other), and yet, we have incredibly different views of the world around us. I used to think he was just deliberately being a royal pain in the ass to just piss me off.

Then, when we discussed personality types, it clicked in my mind as to why we don’t always see things the same way. He perceives while I judge. BIG difference in how the two of us interpret the world, events, and other people.

People who come to conclusions based on “perception” are people who suck-in information through the senses (sight, hearing, touch, smell, taste), and then organize and analyze based on what they perceive through what has touched them.

People who analyze based primarily on judging do so by exclusively examining the evidence, and organizing and analyzing based on that evidence…either rock-solid law, rules, and standards, or on rare occasion, from opinions (if that is all we have to go on…but, of course, we INTJs hate making decisions based on mushy, mealy-mouthed, fluffy opinions).

The INTJ personality type generally possesses these basic characteristics:

– We like truth and facts more than dealing with people’s feelings (touchy-feely Republicans piss us off the most because…really…if we wanted to be around huggy-wuggy, touchy-feely people, we would join the Democrats)

– We have very…very…verrrry low tolerance for bullshit from liars (such as the type of double-speak uttered from most politicians, anyone with MAVEN, Cobb Commission Chairman Tim Lee, Bert Brantley, Lawyers of all types, Barack Obama, the Council for Quality Growth, and the like)

– We can, at times, sound quite dogmatic (though that does not mean we’re wrong)

– We may appear aloof in dealing with others (when really, we’re just pretty reserved introverts not wishing to intrude on you extroverts spending your time trying to demonstrate to everyone how smart you may think you are.)

– We are pretty-darned self-confident (well, actually, that’s being tactful) in our opinions when we argue.

Now, what does all this have to do with the price of tea in China? Probably nothing.

What might it have to do with in the world of Ron Paulers and the rest of the GOP? Plenty, if my friend Todd’s perception is accurate.

While I am not one of the Ron Paul supporters who can zip-off quotes from the Bible or the Constitution, or debate the Fed, I did vote for Ron Paul for President. And, I’m an INTJ. Coincidence? Maybe not.

Why did someone who has generally been an “establishment” member of the GOP for 15 years choose to support Ron Paul over ALL the other “rock star” Republicans? Well, let’s go over the “rock star” list:

1) Newt Gingrich: Any man who does not get his personal shit/oats together until he turns 60 years old (he turned that around 2003) has not, apparently, lived his life in a mature reality for long enough for me to want to trust his judgment as President. Late bloomers are fine people to be around as friends…but, as politicians, you never really can know if their minds have fully developed if they didn’t get their libido under control until well after they turned 35.

2) Herman Cain: My 2nd choice, actually.

3) Michelle Bachmann: Wow…2 years as a Member of the US House, and we’re supposed to think she’s mature enough? Also…she appeared to “try” too hard to sound like a candidate.

4) Rick Perry: Hahahahahaha!!!! Sorry, I have this rule that forbids me from supporting complete buffoons.

5) Tim Pawlenty: WHO?

6) Rick Santorum: If I wanted to live under a theocracy, I would move to one already established, because they likely have the kinks all worked out of it by now.

7) Mitt Romney: He was my 3rd choice, and now’s he’s my first choice…unless, by some chance, the rest of the GOP wakes-up and decides “Hey! Maybe after the two frigging Bush morons we had as President screwed over the country bad enough, maybe we should go with someone that doesn’t talk out of both sides of their mouth and their rear-end at the same time” and chooses Ron Paul as our candidate.

Todd’s Theory

Todd’s theory is that it is likely that most (maybe even all) of the people who support Ron Paul are INTJ personality types who operate best off of a world of facts, rules, and laws…and, most of the other people in the GOP who support other candidates are not INTJ personality types.

Now, considering that the world of politics is nothing other than a huge melting pot of all kinds of different people from all walks of life, different races, different education backgrounds, different genders…all with no required “order” to whom you should associate with except by political philosophy (i.e., Republican vs. Democrat vs. Libertarian, etc.), the personality type theory could be the key to explaining why there is a wide gulf in understanding by the Ron Paul supporters of why the GOP establishment doesn’t get what they’re trying to communicate.

Because it’s like an American (i.e., English-speaking raised) trying to talk to someone from Thailand who doesn’t speak a lick of English. If you do not understand the language and the customs by which messages are best communicated to people who do not perceive the world the way you do, then frustration on all sides is experienced, and lots of people get angry and lose their cool…all because they do not realize the other person doesn’t analyze and make decisions the way you do.

Now, just by chance, I happen to know a few other Ron Paul supporters. And, just by chance, they happen to be INTJ personality types. But, to prove a theory, we’re gonna need a bit larger sample to see if INTJ is way more prevalent in Paul supporters than any other candidate’s supporters.

I bring this story out now to you because this Saturday, there will be district conventions going on. And, in each of these conventions, there will be a mix of Ron Paul supporters and, everyone else.

As an INTJ myself, I honestly have no idea how to advise other INTJers how to best communicate with other people in these conventions, nor do I have any idea how to advise non-INTJers how to best get INTJ folks to see your point of view. Except, maybe adhere to a few rules that, literally, were taught in kindergarten:

Don’t lie. Don’t cheat. Don’t steal. Don’t act like a horse’s ass. Don’t claim something is true when you know it to be an absolute lie. Don’t make up rules that don’t exist. Be fair in your dealings according to the rules of the convention, and (dare I suggest this) be fair because you’re dealing with fellow human beings.

And, BEFORE you launch into any kind of public tirade…stop yourself and consider the possibility that the other person may have made an innocent error in the procedures.

Of course, after you’ve tried being the nice girl or nice guy and that doesn’t work? Well, as the line goes in the movie Risky Business, “Sometimes you just gotta say ‘What the ______?'”

And, take whatever action you deem necessary. (Try not to make the 6 o’clock news, though…or, the 11:00 o’clock news, for that matter).

2 Responses to “Myers-Briggs & Ron Paul Supporters”

  1. Garland Says:

    This Myers Briggs analogy represents an interesting thought and may be accurate on three of the four counts. I am an ENTJ with strong emphasis on the E and J. I also believe that Ron Paul is obviously the best choice in the Republican primary. Like me, most of the Ron Paul supporters I know are more extroverted than introverted, therefore, I don’t think they all fit into the INTJ buckets but may at least fit into the _NTJ buckets. However, there is another related question that is more baffling to contemplate. It seems that Ron Paul has consistently represented true conservative and Republican values for decades more so than any other candidate and yet, the majority of Republicans still do not want to support him. Current polls even show that he is the only Republican candidate who can take away votes from President Obama and possibly win the election. Nevertheless, a majority of Republicans have still sought someone else to represent them. So it is time we seek a serious answer as to why.

    I am convinced that one of the primary reasons is Ron Paul’s non-interventionist foreign policy stance. Ron Paul’s life long, foreign policy stance has attracted many conservatives and even some Obama supporters who were deceived by the “peace candidate” after his invasion of Libya, one of the world’s most debt free countries. However, a large core group of Republicans still cannot come to grips with the fact that the Bush administration lied repeatedly about Iraq possessing weapons of mass destruction. I began documenting those lies a year in advance of the invasion and by the time it occurred on March 19, 2003, I had accumulated almost 40 different falsehoods that individuals within the Bush administration had propagated.
    Many Republicans have heard the facts about the forged Nigerian “yellowcake” documents and the 100 million dollars of revenue gained by Haliburton but they still cling to the belief that our military was used for national defense, not international offense.

    They still insist we must be world police for purposes of self defense when the actual purposes are more for war profiteering. It is difficult for this Republican core to even contemplate the alternative thought process held by many other Americans because it would destroy their belief system once they realized how deeply they were deceived. It is hard for anyone to accept that an American Presidential administration would send thousands of American troops to their death and kill 100,000 or more Iraqi defenders, just for profitable ventures. It is even harder to accept the fact that our tax money was used to kill thousands of Iraqi civilians and our own sons and daughters died in the process.

    Today, many of the same neoconservatives who lied about the potential threat to America from Iraq are now lying about a potential threat posed by Iran. In contrast, our current Secretary of Defense, the International Atomic Energy Administration (IAEA) that is onsite in Iran, and our last two National Intelligence Estimates, representing all 16 of our intelligence agencies, unanimously agree that Iran is not trying to build a nuclear bomb. Specifically, Iran is not trying to enrich uranium anywhere near the threshold needed to build a nuclear bomb, nor are they developing any type of delivery mechanism that could pose a threat to us. Tons of 90% enriched uranium would be required to build nuclear bombs.

    All of Iran’s large quantities of uranium are enriched only to a 3% level. A couple of hundred pounds have also been enriched to 20% for use in a medical reactor that produces isotopes for cancer patients. The enrichment program is publicly known and under the overall nuclear program watch conducted by the IAEA. Nevertheless, American, British and Israeli forces are believed to be operating covertly in Iran and several of Iran’s top nuclear scientists have already been murdered.

    If you notice carefully, much of the propaganda about Iran emanates from the New York Times, Israeli intelligence (which has a vested interested in America invading their middle eastern enemies), and some Republican candidates who are funded by wealthy Zionists. Sheldon Adelson’s recent 10 million dollar contribution to a Newt friendly political action committee is only one example of the kind of donations that have been negatively influencing American foreign policy for years. Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, is securely in their pocket as well as many members of Congress who receive extensive support through the American Israeli Public Affairs Committee.

    These lobbyists have formed an unholy alliance with the big oil interests of the Bush administration and other neoconservatives who are on a quest for profitable American imperialism. The result is a corrupted foreign policy that has advocated invading a number of middle eastern countries during the last decade. This policy has infected, in particular, a dangerously large segment of the Republican party. The time is long overdue for most Republicans to confront the Zionist influence and war profiteering neoconservatives head on and rid themselves of this disease.

    Once that is accomplished, Republicans can develop a more honest foreign policy initiative that is aligned with the thinking of most Americans and the principles upon which America was founded. Then they might also finally be able to distinguish the difference between a RINO (Republican in name only) and a real conservative.

  2. Andrea I Says:

    I just found out I was one of those rare INTJ’s. I took this some years ago at an employee team outing. Thanks for sharing the site.

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